Narutards make me wanna kill babies.

[Kisuke]

yeah.......uh.....DBZ falls in the same category as Naurot, IMO.  Now I don't think people are stupid for liking it.  Some people do and that's cool with me.  "I" just don't.

DBZ back in the day was the shit.

Really though, the farther Naruto goes into the series the more horrible it gets.  It started out OK in the manga, but yeh.  ....And the anime....my god...like a year an a half of really really annoying filler.  I would rather it stop than do that.  Filler really pisses me off.  Naruto had a good start, but it pretty much just stinks now.

[lychee-twist]

Because Naruto is a disgrace to anime.

Dahling, if you're going to make a claim like that, back it up. Why? Give a logical, coherent reason without the "Cuz it's f***ing stupid".

Yeah, I'm with you guys. I've noticed that the shorter anime are better (Ouran, Full Metal Alchemist, the first Comic Party, Fruits Basket, etc.). Naruto has so many fillers, I got tired of watching. The same thing with Bleach. I was tired of trying to get through that vampire rip fillers that I lost interest and stopped watching. Now, when I want to pick up Naruto and Bleach again, I forgot what episodes I was on so I haven't XD

Suzaku, keep in mind, some of the people watching Naruto are little kids and don't have the priveledge of staying up late or taking control of the internet

Try seeing it from the other side. It's kind of a general rule of thumb I learned in Psychology to get through a tough or annoying situation.

[Kisuke]

Yeh, Bleach got *WARKED* up too.

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"Attention, that is all."

PS - I really don't feel like backing it up, I am freakin tired of this thread.  So......I guess that's just my opinion.

PS2 (haha pun) - Honestly, if you have read my *WARK*, there is justification.  I could make a long list of stuff I don't like about it, but then people would just get on my case again. 

[Suzaku_Kururugi]

What u talkin about kisuke bleach is back on track now given there are alittle mixup but i think it really good

[Red Stripe]

Ummmm... he backed up hhis claim just at the top of the page...

[Rika]

Have you ever been to Otakon?  Bleach is already there!

Bleach, Naruto, and Inuyasha are done to death there. o.o

[Kisuke]

Bleach is finally out of filler, but it is still gonna be f*cked up for the rest of it's duration because they will have to change s**t for the filler to stay in contact with the main story line.

[GotenOnNimbus]

Hmm, coupla things, since I'll be Sir Naruto and DBZ Defender.

Because Naruto is a disgrace to anime.

Not so.  Have you seen Naruto without the filler subtitled?  It's actually not bad at all.  Some of the character development gets a little cheesy, but still, there's a lot of characters and a lot of change they end up going through, plus they tend to do pretty good cliffhangers.  When I was reading through a lot of the fights, it was a toss up as to who was actually going to win, none of the "ZOMG I pull out another transformation and huzzah! I kick Zeus' ass!"  They had some transformation, but the characters would adapt and change, and not really go through a transformation, just figure out how to work with their limits and fight.  DBZ had hours of monologue, Naruto doesn't, it actually has a story and a push forward.

yeah.......uh.....DBZ falls in the same category as Naurot, IMO.  Now I don't think people are stupid for liking it.  Some people do and that's cool with me.  "I" just don't.

Dragon Ball no one should bash, because Akira Toriyama is awesome with comedy.  DBZ, eh, wasn't as funny, had a lot more action, filler was bad just like any anime.  But grouping Naruto with it?  Nah, not even close.  Considering fights and character development rarely last past 2 episodes, it's hard to think of the two as the same category.

Few actually give Naruto much of a chance.  The anime (just forgetting the filler episodes ever existed) and the manga are good...without filler, I believe the first half of the series (They've moved on to the second half, Naruto Shippuden) is under 100 episodes.There are about 20-25 episodes in the first 100 episodes, and after episode 125, it's filler up until Shippuden...If you look at things like Ranma 1/2, few can say "That was way too long, I won't sit through that many because it's over 25 episodes."  It looks like just because Naruto is popular, it's going to get thrashed beyond reason.  Most of the Narutards you speak of are dubbies anyway, who read the US translated manga and see the dub.  If you've instead read the scanlations and watched the original Japanese version, you get a different view of things as well.

[Rika]

*scratches head* 

[RetardedRaven]

you know i think everyone here has overlooked the real problem

wat do you got against babies?

[lychee-twist]

you know i think everyone here has overlooked the real problem

wat do you got against babies?

LOL. That's awesome!

[lychee-twist]

Kisuke, I'm sorry to report this, but I'm at Sakuracon right now, and Bleach is the most popular cosplay I've seen under Naruto. I've seen a lot of Ichigos, Rukias, and captains around, even an adorable toddler Kon.

I think the breakdown of anime/game popularity goes like this:
1. Naruto
2. Bleach
3. Kingdom Hearts
4. Final Fantasy
5. Full Metal Alchemist (where I sit)

[Red Comet]

Yanno... there's something about this topic that I've been thinking about lately...
Some people seem to think a show is ruined when it gets a large fanbase.
But, it's the same show that those people liked before said fanbase ever showed up.  While I understand why they may dislike how they're no longer a small, unique group of fans, I don't understand why people would say the show is no good anymore.

For example, when Death Note was aired on Cartoon Network, it got a much larger fanbase.  And my understanding is that the English language version was very true to the original, with a minimal amount of editing.  But some people still resent that it was aired on American TV.  I've heard some people speak negatively about the "noob Death Note fans", but, you know, every fan was new to Death Note at some point.

[Ameria-chan]

I think while some people just say that because they're like indy rock fans who hate it when their favorite bands 'sell' out by actually getting popular, a lot of people just resent that fans who got into anime through what was shown on American TV appear to be a much younger and less mature fanbase than they are from the stereotypes people see at conventions and on forums.

I'll admit that over the years I've seen convention crowds get younger and younger overall, and I started going to cons when I was 15 and in the minority. But with the younger crowds gaining majority it's come with the overabundance of "yaoi paddles" and panhandling signs and constant 4chan memes and "OMG plz Vic Mignogna will you say 'I love Roy Mustang' in Ed'z voice?!?!11" and hotel/convention center property damage that's given fans in general something of a bad rap. I know at Ohayocon for the past few years the main hotel's had people both graffiti and break holes in the wall of the staircase every year, and this past Ohayo a kid put a hole in one of the main convention center walls by doing a backflip off it.

So yeah....some of us who've been around for a while have gotten a little bitter about how much things have changed in that respect. I still love conventions and anime and everything, but I hate constantly hearing about how much maturity and common sense has declined at cons.

[bakabunny]

I just hate the half-assed cosplay.  Those people who wear partial costumes (like the oh so many who don the headband and sandals) and say they're ninja. 

But really, I'm just sick of the "popular" cosplay.