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Re: Mythology
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2005, 08:23:52 AM »
yeah norse mythology is cool...I looked at some asian mythology, and China seems to be really devoid of any real myths.  They've got some about Guan Yu, he was such a great warrior they made him into a demi god of sorts, but other than that it all has a lot to do with Buddha and Confucious.  I couldn't even find a real creation myth for them.  Maybe I was looking in the wrong place.  Right now though I'm reading the myths of Oceana (Australia and all those other nifty islands floating around it.)
The names of the gods are really hard to pronounce... :x
that's okay...
It's still a blast to read.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2005, 03:46:01 AM »
yeah norse mythology is cool...I looked at some asian mythology, and China seems to be really devoid of any real myths.  They've got some about Guan Yu, he was such a great warrior they made him into a demi god of sorts, but other than that it all has a lot to do with Buddha and Confucious.  I couldn't even find a real creation myth for them.  Maybe I was looking in the wrong place.  Right now though I'm reading the myths of Oceana (Australia and all those other nifty islands floating around it.)
The names of the gods are really hard to pronounce... :x
that's okay...
It's still a blast to read.

China is a much more philosphical culture which considers adherance to a strict religous doctrine to be kind of mentally limiting-it's frowned upon there, especially with the current government. So a lot of China's myths aren't religous-based but are based on great works of literature which have become so famous and retold they've achieved mythical status. My favorite is the Monkey King. His story (especially the part where he and Sanzo go to India) is insanly well known in Japan and China. And of course, it inspired the anime Dragon Ball (originally a parody of the story) and Sayuki (which tells basically the same story but with lots of changes to setting and characters, and with Sanzo as the main character instead of Goku.)

Monkey King is the first of what are called (I may have the name wrong) the Three Great Occult Stories of China. The other two are Houshin Engi (which inspired the anime Soul Hunter) and The Water Margin. Houshin Engi is about a corrupt emporer who is being controlled by a female demon. The gods send a servant down to Earth to stop her, and he becomes embroiled in all sorts of political and mystical happenings along the way.

Water Margin is more of a social commentary, but some of the characters in it have become so wellknown as to have achieved mythical status. Basically, it's about a group of 108 people who decide they're sick of the unfair social and economic conditions in China-sick of divisions like rich, poor, etc. So they establish their own seperate society, where everyone is considered equal socially and everyone shares all the work, food, and resources equally. Some people have pointed to it as being a very early Socialist work, but that's probably pushing it since it was written about 3,000 years before Karl Marx came along. Water Margin (also known by the title All Men Are Brothers) inspired the Suikoden series of RPG's from Konami. It's also a manga by Mitsuteru Yokoyama, creator of Giant Robo.

I've read Monkey King and Water Margin but not Houshin Engi. Both are really good if you've got the time and choose a good enough translation.


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Re: Mythology
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2005, 04:26:48 AM »




It's worth noting the Number 108 is found EVERYWHERE in Japan and China  even today. I had always wondered why everything was done in 108, and that's why. It's a mystical number for them, and inspires.

The 'Live' marathon this summer, promoting life, was 108 Km. the other 'live' special sports events were all trying to be 108. Meters, seconds, judo opponents, everything.
108 is a number that promotes strength of human life. Mind, body, and spirit.

So it also ties in with Asian culture in that sense.


Out of laziness, I haven't said anything about the original Topic.

I really like Mythology too, and study all culture’s. Usually focusing on the similarities or differences between them. contrasting is fun.
I like to study about all of them, Japanese, Chinese, Rome..ish?, Greek, Native American, Australian, African....everywhere. It’s all just so cool.
I’m still getting into the specific stories. I takes a while….
I like learning about the stories behind a culture, I think it really helps me understand the way people think, and we ALL know Diana loves people stalking Watching.

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Re: Mythology
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2005, 05:04:34 AM »
Wowo, I didn't know 108 was that big a deal. Coolies on that. And on the watching, which is always fun.
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Re: Mythology
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2005, 11:25:10 AM »
I always wondered why 108 meant so much...

Wyvern can you recommend a particular translation of those stories?

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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2005, 05:22:11 AM »
Well, you can get the complete set of Journey to the West (the first and most famous Monkey King story) in a box set, but it's rather pricey-I got it for Christmas a few years back. But since that's the only translation I've read (took me a while,too) and I found it to be really good, so I'll reccomend that one. This one also has the advantage of being unabridged.

Here is the version of Water Margin I read (this translation is called All Men Are Brothers, but the story seems to be best known by the name Water Margin.) It's a much easier read than Journey to the West, way shorter and with a more natural-sounding translation.  Anyway, hope this helps. ^^
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Re: Mythology
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2005, 09:41:16 AM »
I will be looking into that.

I would like to find mythology from some of the smaller, less known countries like Armenia and stuff.  I just wonder what those little countries myths are like.  Maybe they share the Slavic myths or something...
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Re: Mythology
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2005, 01:30:44 AM »
You know... China does have a thing with numbers. That and superstition/ghosts.


There's a number I don't remember currently, but.........


.......it's considered to be exTREMEly unlucky because it translates as "You die" or something just as... odd. O.o


OOoh, Slavic myths?? I'd LOVE to hear more!!  (Actually, I do have some Slavic/Czech ancestory)

Lemme see.... the Golem!! I think that's one!! You know, the giant stone guy .... a symbol of infinity must be carved into his forhead and then he will obey the carver's will.  (At least, that's how it worked in Johnny Quest *heh* I'm such a dork comparing mythology to .... tv.... no. Loser. Definitely a loser.)




Other mythologies...... Indian. Like some of the Hindu gods have neat stories. I read for the love interest of Rahma(?) in highschool..... He's one of the seven incarnations of Vishnu, btw. (yeah, seven stories about one ... soul. kinda neat. Like religious fanfiction!! :) )


You know what's interesting?? Creation stories.


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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2005, 04:32:05 AM »
You know... China does have a thing with numbers. That and superstition/ghosts.


There's a number I don't remember currently, but.........


.......it's considered to be exTREMEly unlucky because it translates as "You die" or something just as... odd. O.o


OOoh, Slavic myths?? I'd LOVE to hear more!!  (Actually, I do have some Slavic/Czech ancestory)

Lemme see.... the Golem!! I think that's one!! You know, the giant stone guy .... a symbol of infinity must be carved into his forhead and then he will obey the carver's will.  (At least, that's how it worked in Johnny Quest *heh* I'm such a dork comparing mythology to .... tv.... no. Loser. Definitely a loser.)




Other mythologies...... Indian. Like some of the Hindu gods have neat stories. I read for the love interest of Rahma(?) in highschool..... He's one of the seven incarnations of Vishnu, btw. (yeah, seven stories about one ... soul. kinda neat. Like religious fanfiction!! :) )


You know what's interesting?? Creation stories.




Yesh, creation stories are neat. What's fun is how weird some of them are ("the universe was created when the Great Space Cow threw up and her half-chewed cud BECAME THE SUN") and how so many of them portray the universe as a big accident or the side-effect of some quibble between the Gods. It's interesting because Judeo-Christian beliefs say that God intentionally created life with a purpose and is keeping a close eye on us, but that's actually kind of unique among beliefs throughout the ages. For most of history, people believed their Gods either created them by accident or on a whim, and didn't really care much about them. Gods were to be feared, for they were often petty jerks. Maybe this was an illustration of how they interpreted the seeming random mercilessness of nature-big storms coming up for no reason, earthquakes, etc. These days, nature is still unpredictible, but we at least can tell when a hurricane is coming and make buildings to withstand earthquakes, and we understand what causes these things. We are slightly less helpless before nature, and thus we don't see it as the terrifying force we once did. Thus, it's easier to accept the idea of a loving God.

This is actually consistant with Christian beliefs,too. If you look at the Old Testament, God is a really moody jerk sometimes, turning people's wives into salt and blowing up towns and stuff. But then the New Testament comes along, and Jesus says "No, God's not a jerk, that's all heresay" and God is portrayed as really nice from then on out (although he still kills everybody in Revalations.) One of the most important ideas Jesus brought to the table was the idea that God was merciful and loving. That was pretty revolutionary back then.

Incendentally, that Johnny Quest episode actually changed the Golem story to remove religous content-the Golem is a Jewish myth, and to animate one, a Rabbi (or other wise person with spiritual powers) writes the Hebrew word for "Truth" on its forehead. To stop a Golem, you have to erase the first letter of the word-doing so turns it into the Hebrew word for "Death," and the Golem will immediatally die.

There was a recent issue of Ninja Turtles in which Donatello runs into a Golem that is robbing stores in a local neighborhood. It turns out the Golem was created by a mathmatical genius who figured out the equation for creating life, and animated him by writing the symbol for "Pi" on his head. They fought, but the Golem, despite being unstoppable, gave up because he didn't want to hurt anyone. Donny learned that the Golem's creator was actually dead, and the Golem was robbing stores to buy medicine for his creator's son, who was severly ill and could not leave his bed.

Only it then turned out that the boy was dead, and had been for a long time. The Golem had no concept of death, so he didn't even realize it-he'd just been bringing him medicine every week like always, and it just piled up around the boy's body. Donatello explained it to him, and the Golem was sad, but also curious-he didn't understand why the boy would do something "so strange as to die." Donny replied that it wasn't strange at all-that everything eventually dies.

"Not everything," replied the Golem, pointing to the "Pi" symbol on his forehead, "My creator saw to it that I could never die. That's why he gave me this symbol-because Pi goes on forever."

Donatello had a theory, however-if he turned the "Pi" into an "equals" sign, that would signify the end of the equation-and that might allow the Golem to die. He didn't actually do it, though. But knowing this somehow made the Golem feel a bit better, like he wasn't all that different from everyone else after all.

That was a good comic book.



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Re: Mythology
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2005, 01:57:37 PM »
I read this book called Cain, and it was about a golem more or less and it went back to the time of king david...it was a pretty awesome book. 

And creation stories are interesting.  I like the Japanese one.  It's not an accidental creation either.  not only are they trying to create the world they messed it up the first time and had to start over.

The sister essentially gave birth to all the gods and goddesses.  Including my favorite Amateratsu, the sun goddess.

And a good example of Slavic Myth would be the Dominov...I think that's what it's called...which is a house spirit who is supposed to be kind and sad.  It's said that he will cry if a wife is about to be beaten.  It's also said he will tickle lazy children.  There is one in every house.  There are also the wailing ghosts of children said to run around leading people in wrong directions or begging to be baptised.  And these are children who were abandoned and exposed to the wilderness.  One of the biggest Slavic myths would be about Vlad Teppes, or Dracula, which means "son of the devil".  His father was a tyrant and he happened to follow in his father's footsteps leaving people on spikes in front of his palace.  Although the Dominov is older...at least I think it's older...
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Re: Mythology
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2005, 01:07:31 AM »
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Incendentally, that Johnny Quest episode actually changed the Golem story to remove religous content-the Golem is a Jewish myth, and to animate one, a Rabbi (or other wise person with spiritual powers) writes the Hebrew word for "Truth" on its forehead. To stop a Golem, you have to erase the first letter of the word-doing so turns it into the Hebrew word for "Death," and the Golem will immediatally die.

There was a recent issue of Ninja Turtles in which Donatello runs into a Golem that is robbing stores in a local neighborhood.


Oh yeah, now I remember about the truth/death thing. I know I saw it somewhere... maybe in Gargoyles :P


Pi, huh?? Now that's interesting. (And that people become obsessed with that number. Like......the eight 8s in a row... ) Man, that number is a legend itself.


You know... that golem reminds me of the homunculi. You know the "dolls" created frome the philosophers stone. (Has only seen up to volume...4 of Fullmetal Alchemist, but I know they're going to get more indepth with it)

Anyone ever play Shadow of Destiny?? Man, that game is just... wow. Time travelling thanks to the homonculous. *heh*


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And a good example of Slavic Myth would be the Dominov...I think that's what it's called...which is a house spirit who is supposed to be kind and sad. It's said that he will cry if a wife is about to be beaten. It's also said he will tickle lazy children. There is one in every house. There are also the wailing ghosts of children said to run around leading people in wrong directions or begging to be baptised. And these are children who were abandoned and exposed to the wilderness. One of the biggest Slavic myths would be about Vlad Teppes, or Dracula, which means "son of the devil". His father was a tyrant and he happened to follow in his father's footsteps leaving people on spikes in front of his palace. Although the Dominov is older...at least I think it's older...


Now that's the stuff I want to hear... ghosts stories!! (Well, not super creepy stuff... but the fact that it's Slavic...) Ever hear creaking noises in the house late at night? Well, I used to believe it was the house "talking." The idea that it's a spirit... wow, that makes sense. So much that you won't believe....


Okay, maybe I can tell you guys this (appropriate considering it's STILL Halloween night here :P)....  at my old house we had a ghost. (Kind and sad fits her well)

I never saw her myself, but new guests of my parents would sometimes see a woman with red hair and a dog beside her in the large picture window. They'd say, "who's that?" And my parents would tell the the truth... there's no one in the house.

The theory is... that it's the spirit of my father's first wife.

For someone that didn't have a kind end... she was kind. (Never angry towards me... which is good)

One night, my mom had a dream.... she dreamed a red headed woman was violently shaking her.... felt as if she was being choked!! My mom awoke and found that she was being smothered by a cat O.o There was at least one more incident where my mom saw a red headed woman in her dreams. (telling her to leave)

Man, I used to get so creeped out there sometimes. She really was restless sometimes.


At my new house... we have a nice spirit. (I'm sure that all houses have one :) )


Ooooh, the Drac man himself!! I find his legend very interesting. Vlad was most DEFinitely real. (Vlad the Impaler) I watched a show on the History channel about him some years ago. Now, the way I heard it.... his dad was Dracul. (which they said meant: the man of the order of the dragon) And Dracula, as Vlad became to be known, just meant... son of the man of the order of the dragon. (I know.... kinda hokey sounding. But this was years ago)

Where's Halo when I get into the vampy stuff?? *hehehe*

Man, way to go Bram Stoker for writing one of the best/most memorable "fanfics" ever.
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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2005, 01:02:09 PM »
Okay, maybe I can tell you guys this (appropriate considering it's STILL Halloween night here :P)....  at my old house we had a ghost. (Kind and sad fits her well)

I never saw her myself, but new guests of my parents would sometimes see a woman with red hair and a dog beside her in the large picture window. They'd say, "who's that?" And my parents would tell the the truth... there's no one in the house.

The theory is... that it's the spirit of my father's first wife.

One night, my mom had a dream.... she dreamed a red headed woman was violently shaking her.... felt as if she was being choked!! My mom awoke and found that she was being smothered by a cat O.o There was at least one more incident where my mom saw a red headed woman in her dreams. (telling her to leave)


Ooooh, the Drac man himself!! I find his legend very interesting. Vlad was most DEFinitely real. (Vlad the Impaler) I watched a show on the History channel about him some years ago. Now, the way I heard it.... his dad was Dracul. (which they said meant: the man of the order of the dragon) And Dracula, as Vlad became to be known, just meant... son of the man of the order of the dragon. (I know.... kinda hokey sounding. But this was years ago)

Where's Halo when I get into the vampy stuff?? *hehehe*

Man, way to go Bram Stoker for writing one of the best/most memorable "fanfics" ever.


Yeah Dracul can mean dragon or devil.  And Vlad was a complete jerk.  I used to study all the maniacs and megalomaniacs...kind of a hobby (don't ask)

and yeah vampires are cool but they have too many rules to follow..
*have to be invited in
*no garlic
*no wild roses or thyme
*no black dogs with white marks above their eyes (called angel eyes for some reason)
*no mirrors
*If someone throws a bunch of pins or rice or something at you you have to count every single grain or pin
*no sunlight
*no water (depending on who's writing the story)
*you have to be beautiful

too many rules...

As for the ghosts, my old house was haunted too.  But I think that was our(my) fault.  And it wasn't a ghost that was haunting us...in fact I'm almost certain it was some sort of low level demon who couldn't do anything but freak us out...

As to the lucky number in china...it's eight.  And the unlucky number is four, because the word for it sounds like the word for death.  I saw that on some website yesterday...
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