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AGAIN I WILL REPEAT:

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ADVENT CHILDREN



DO NOT!!!



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Okay, now I can get my thoughts down here:

To be honest, I am a bit dissapointed in AC.  Yes, it was a great movie, and yes, I know it referenced a lot back to the game.  However, in all actuality, FF7 was an extremely plot-based game.  The movie was not... it didnt really capture the heart of the game.  Sure, sure, it was cool to see Cloud with his motorcycle with the uber amount of swords... and the Bahumut ZERO fight was awesome.. but it wasn't 7esque.

As for the bit of plot that the movie did attempt to create, here's what I got out of it:

1. Geostigma has spread.
2. The other faield Sephiroth clones tried to get the children to band together with them to fight the planet.
3. The other Sephiroth clones want to get Jenova's neck back from the Turks.
4. Cloud tries to save the children.
5. Aerith = Holy / The Lifestream / The Planet
6. Cloud has some social problems (OMG SURPRISE?)
6. Kadaj (the main sephiroth clone) is a cocoon for the real Sephiroth, and when he comes in contact with the Jenova cells from Jenova's neck, Sephiroth appears.
7. Cloud fights Sephiroth again.
8. After Sephiroth is defeated, Aerith / Holy / The Planet decide to cure Geostigma... or something.

It's kinda confusing what the whole thing is with the Lifestream suddenly deciding to "cure" geostigma.  It obviously has something to do with Sephiroth and/or Jenova... but through all the flashy CGI and near-constant fight scenes, it is really hard to actually grasp the plot that's happening.  And that focus on the fighting, and the lack of focus on the plot, makes it more confusing.  Thus it disspoints me.

What do you guys think, those who have actually seen AC?
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2005, 08:28:02 AM »
I completely and totally agree with you.
I had a horrible time deciding what was going on...

I thought the life stream in your body was trying to purify the Jenova cells and was conflicting with them and causing the disease.....

How would the life stream fix that if it was the cause, indirectly...
Maybe...?

It’s not a problem with the Sub though; I found no problems (that's rare in fansubbs…)
It’s the story being skitzo
I felt it needed better explaining. Action is pretty, but it's hard to make a movie out of it.

Because they never seriously addressed or explained problems, they were able to make a freaky way of solving it that doesn't disprove itself (not totally anyway, we’d need more explanation to tell…which they didn’t provide, so it could go either way -_-;), because it was never clearly defined in the first place.
Sure there was a problem, but they didn't focus enough on it to legitimately solve it.

And……I feel bad for the Cell Phone......

Anyway, here's what I thought:

My thoughts on Advent Children.

Pretty, Nice action.

Although it had a plot, I don’t they really went into it enough, and they had FAR too much of that Freeze framey thing going on. It got a little old.

But again, very pretty, good eye candy, but it gave nothing to think about.

I give it a 7.5 (that’s equals ‘Very Swanky, but slightly lacking.’)

Beautiful, but sorta dry, unless you’re looking for  awesome action. It’s not exactly an emotional mountain moving movie, but its fun, And cloud gets unwhiney.
More could have been done, and although the action was done nicely, it made up 75% of the movie. Personally, I was hoping for more story telling. It had a bit o’ comedy, but no one other than Tifa, The Sephi clones, or Cloud got any real screen-time or Delve-nation into their characters. The Music is GREAT, the bike-ness is awesome.
It would be easy to re-watch, and is definitely an enjoyable use of your time. One of those ‘Anytime’ movies,  just don’t expect any answers or good solutions, and definitely no insight into the game.

What I wanna know is what Cloud’s doing driving on the right side of the road.
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2005, 04:04:49 AM »
WHY DID I READ THE SPOILERS!!!  NOW I HAVE NO DESIRE TO WATCH! ok I already saw. ^^

in the future japan finally realizes that the right side of the road is safer. XD

after that, they realize brazil really does exist, and apologizes in a press release, stating, My bad.

XD

THAT TIFA FIGHT SCENE ENDING WAS AWESOME. THAT CELL PHONE WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!

HA HA!


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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2005, 07:53:04 AM »
My thoughts:

Action = Good

Graphics = Pretty

Overall outcome = Disappointed.


Mainly my theory is that the movie was pretty, as well as pretty good, but at the same time, was pointless.

You technically can cut the entire events that happened in the movie from the timeline of FF7 and it would be exactly the same as if the movie never happened. Thats all I gotta say.
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2005, 01:26:45 PM »
It wasn't what I was expecting from a Final Fantasy story. The movie kind of ended up being like french fries for your brain. Tasty but no nutritional value.

On a similar topic, has anyone seen that FF7 OAV?
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2005, 10:30:26 PM »
Last Order? I saw that! It was cool. ^_^
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2005, 12:07:26 PM »
Ok, this is my interpretation of what happened (and what happened in the game).

Earth has two sections to it: 
Life Stream (Souls)
The Living World (The world we live in)

All things was a balance between these, when someone dies from the Living World, they are sent into the Life Stream and recycled to be reincarnated again.

Shinryaa used the Life Stream as an energy source to make life easier, but at the same time, used the Life Stream to forcefully create humans, in this case were called SOLDIERS. 

The world would have been destroyed anyway, (If you think about how the anime series Bleach works), when you use all the souls from the Life Stream to use as energy, there would be no longer be souls to be reincarnated and thus humans would cease to exist.  However, something else happened before this could happen. 

Jenova is a planet parasite, it's sole purpose is to destroy each planet, and using the previous planet to travel to other ones to destroy the next one.  Jenova had dropped down into the crater on Earth(How the movie started), parts of which entered the life stream.  Shinryaa found Jenova and isolated the cells from it to create humans from them (The Sephiroph Clones). 

During this time, Shinyraa was creating humans from the life stream, thus Cloud was born.(From the Black Haired Cloud)  (But it turned out that Cloud was born from a previous soul-- a soul that has known Tifa as a child).  The side effect is that being forcefully put into a body directly from the Life Stream, Cloud still had recollections from his previous life.  Of course, there is a sideffect to this as well, this is because when Cloud was reborn, the Life Stream was already infected with cells of Jenova. 

Geostigma was the effects of Jenova tainting the Life Stream, thus, MOSTLY CHILDREN were the ones that were affected by Geostigma.  Geostigma is an immune response of the body to get rid of the cells of Jenova, however, it would eventually self destruct itself since Jenova's "Soul" was mixed with the Soul of the Life Stream.  This would also explain why Cloud was infected with Geostigma as well. 

At the end, Sephiroph was to accomplish what was in the gene's of Jenova to destroy every planet in the universe from the entity of "Jenova" while Cloud represented "Mother Earth" as a soldier to protect it.

That's my interpretation of the overlying story-- I could be totally wrong though since I havn't played FF7 for like 3 years lol.

In my opinion, they made the "important plot" too quick.  For example, explaining all the "Mother" and all the sub plot-- they did EXTREMELY lightly.  In that case, it made the entire story kinda like... 90% Fighting, 10% Plot.  However, I think that if we all played FF7 again, we would realize that the 10% of plot actually has A LOT more weight than we thought previously.  (In which case, we would remember what happened in the game in FF7 to relate to movie), this would make the movie more enjoyable I think. 

I don't think it would be enjoyable at all to the people who didn't play FF7 no doubt, they'd get totally confused!!! (And they wouldn't have those chills  you have in your back when they were fighting Bahamut when each one of the older characters appeared)

Also, don't you notice that Cloud's facial expressions resembled Sora from Kingdom Hearts? I think those expressions are so accurate =x.

Oh yeah, so that weird Grey Wolf that appeared a lot--  I think that was Vincent's limit break form =x

The black haired dude next to Aerith at the end I THINK was Cloud's old reincarnation.

I think there was a big symbolic thing between the Black Life Stream and Kadaj(Being filled with the soul of Jenova) and the Clear Life Stream that purified it all at the end.

I definetly think that this movie beats Matrix in terms of the fighting.  In terms of plot, it is heavily game based, so added the game, the plot would be extremely well done as well.

« Last Edit: September 21, 2005, 12:20:51 PM by TKei »

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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2005, 01:06:39 PM »
Er....um.... Wasn't the wolf the spirit of Zax?

...And the black-haired guy was Zax. He was a friend of Cloud's back when they were both with SOLDIER. They are shown both together in the OVA episode recreation of the game flashback called "Last Order".

...That flashback to the mako reactor FMV is the only major FMV I remember from how far I actually got into FFVII before I stopped playing it. ^^;;
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2005, 01:30:48 AM »
oic-- I don't remember it ahahah! ok, ignore that part-- but is my story right? T-T

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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2005, 04:28:51 PM »
Yeah, didn't Last Order rock? Well, at least it was fun if not especially... special.



If you thought Tifa in FF7: AC looked like Rinoa, raise your hand.

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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2005, 05:58:20 PM »
*raises hand* But that's not a bad thing. Didn't they use the same graphics generator system in FF:AC that they used in FF8? That's what I was told..

I like her outfit in AC waaaay better than the game. XD I think they should have left her hair longer though, and with the wrap at the end. I thought that was cool.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2005, 04:33:12 PM »
She does look better, though I just don't think it has that "Tifa" feel to it. On the other hand, everyone looks like a Taiwanese pop star now...
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2005, 01:52:42 AM »
my friend's first comment on Tifa in AC (while he was watching the movie): "Her boob's aren't as big as I remember them"

I have to agree, she is better proportioned in AC than in the game.  Which is definately a good thing IMO... although they all definately DO look like taiwanese pop stars :P
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2005, 01:33:09 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if their movement models actually -were- Taiwanese popstars.. XD
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Re: ADVENT CHILDREN~~! SPOILERS! DO NOT OPEN THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2005, 11:48:39 PM »
Quote from: TKei
Also, don't you notice that Cloud's facial expressions resembled Sora from Kingdom Hearts? I think those expressions are so accurate =x.

No. Cloud looked EXACTLY like Lenne (it took me a while to put my finger on it, but there's one scene where you can't NOT see it). Different hair, different colored eyes. Same freakin' face. Apparently, Cloud must've really liked his purple dress. Dance, Cloudrina! Your stage career begins today!

So I finally saw the movie today while I was waiting in line at an autograph signing. I couldn't hear anything (aside from the cell phone, when the guy who owned the laptop we used to watch the movie shushed us all) and I was a bit distracted from possibly getting a really cool autograph (I didn't, by the way. I should have, but people cut the line). I thought it was very pretty-looking, but I was confused because I didn't understand what was going on, really. I chalked it up to my distraction, but after reading what you guys have said, I feel a little better.

Other thoughts:
Cloud got shot in the FACE. WTF. XD

I also missed the part where Kadaj merged with Jenova, but I saw the ensuing fight and it seemed... cheap, somehow. I don't know. It was pretty cool, but.... it missed something.

I didn't realize the end of the movie was the end of the movie. Maybe because I was distracted, like I said, but ... I don't know, it really felt like I missed something the entire time.

There was not NEARLY enough of Cid in the movie. Hmph. [/fangirl]

How many pairs of sunglasses does Rude HAVE?!

Why was no one wet when they were all standing in the water?

I wanted to pet Red. So... pretty.... *_*

More when I watch the movie properly. ^_^;
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